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2005-12-02 [Yuriona]: Yay! Excellent first entry! :D
2005-12-02 [Skydancer]: I started to put the yule greeting but then I saw the one shot limit so I decided to do a pure photograph instead. :) Photomanipulat
2005-12-02 [Yuriona]: Yes, sadly I have to limit entries to one or I'll be swamped with entries! :O
2005-12-02 [Skydancer]: true, I know in this case I would probably have done three, since I did quite a few shots in the set. :)
2005-12-02 [Yuriona]: Well, we'll see how much interest in this contest we get. I may allow two entries if there isn't a lot of interest in it.
2005-12-02 [Master Fio]: I think im just gonna put all the pics i take on a wiki and ask people to tell me which one i should enter. I hate choosing.
2005-12-02 [Master Fio]: Then again with an entry like that first one I might not even bother entering. I think im out of my league here.
2005-12-02 [Skydancer]: Never let the work of another artist affect your own journey. Put your work out there and let it live and grow and get stronger. Its the only way you will ever get your work in front of the world. And that, ultimately is sort of the point, not competitions, but rather synergies and community and sharing the muses.
2005-12-03 [Iseld]: *raises eyebrows* hehe
2005-12-03 [Iseld]: my cookies are greeeeeen :D
2005-12-03 [Jitter]: oooh I will Enter! (As if I wouldn't the contest junkie me... :p)
2005-12-05 [IX.Dollface]: Ohh...yays for another contest...haha
2005-12-05 [Kuruni]: cool contest.....no
2005-12-05 [Yuriona]: Normally spamming wikis is frowned upon but since you asked first I'll allow it. ^_^ LOL!
2005-12-05 [Ihsahn]: I hope my entry is good
2005-12-05 [Seany.]: to let you all know! everyones entry is so cooool!
2005-12-05 [Nocternity S.]: i think you forgot the dates....
2005-12-05 [Ihsahn]: fixed and thanks
2005-12-05 [Yuriona]: Hee hee hee... nice place holder Jitterbug. ;)
2005-12-05 [Yuriona]: Actually... I just realised those are Christmas lights in the photo. THat could almost be an entry. That's hilarious! LMAO!
2005-12-05 [Jitter]: Haha Okay if you think so I'll enter that ^_^ I wasn't sure if it was fitting the theme enough :p
2005-12-06 [Yuriona]: It's definitely unique and I know many of us have faced the horror of untangling and testing tree lights. ;)
2005-12-06 [Master Fio]: AHHHHH NOT THE DREADED CHRISTMAS LIGHTS!!!
2005-12-06 [Iseld]: i always hid during that part! hehe
2005-12-06 [lady nytmare]: Love the entries. When I find something Xmassy, i'll enter too. Eventually... :p
2005-12-06 [melperi]: oo...good theme... i guess i have to go take some photos.
2005-12-06 [Jitter]: Whoa I was about to tell you you're mad [DarkJenni] but I noticed that you didn't make that snow lion ^_^ Great entry though!
2005-12-06 [Skydancer]: that is one really really BIG cat.. chuckle.. Can you imagine the work those folk put into their sculptures? Wow.
2005-12-06 [Jitter]: And I can't even sculpt with clay o.O
2005-12-07 [Skydancer]: I can sculpt in iron and steel, but that is way out my league.. :)
2005-12-07 [Skydancer]: She is. :)
2005-12-07 [Kelaria]: Then how can it be her photo? In the rules it states: "Photographs must be taken by Elftowners and posted here by the original photographer." Dont mean to sound like a bitch, I'm just trying to be fair and help enforce the rules.
2005-12-07 [Ihsahn]: maybe its one of the automated ones were you tell it to take a picture and it takes a picture of you, like a time limit
2005-12-07 [Skydancer]: Well, if I hand my camera to a person at a touristy place and ask them to take a photo of me at the "whatever exciting scenic" spot, it is still my photo.
2005-12-07 [Skydancer]: Actually, for that matter, the photo I submitted, has me in it.
2005-12-07 [Leara]: Yes, the picture itself is yours, but the photography of it isn't. Though it's yours and you can use it where you please, you wouldn't have been active in the artistic portion of how it was taken other than posing pretty and smiling, for example: My best friend wants me to take a photo of her, with her camera...it's her picture, but she has no right to use it in a contest, however, I do, since I was the one who took the photo.
2005-12-07 [Skydancer]: Well, perhaps, though that can get to be a very grey area. I do this for a living, of sorts, and I have assistants that do some of my shooting from time to time, but it is my studio, my equiptment and they work for me. So everything they might do, actually, legally, is mine. Most of the works I have in my galleries, and stock in fact have been taken of me, by me, so that can really get to be a very grey area indeed. chuckle..
2005-12-07 [Kelaria]: Legally, they are yours, but that doesnt mean you can enter them in a contest as YOUR work. Techinically they are the work of your assistants! Like [Leara] said you werent active in the artistic portion of how it was taken other than posing pretty and smiling.
2005-12-07 [Leara]: Actually, in Skydancer's case, it's a little difficult, in the case of a studio setting, they would be his if he's the one says take it from this angle, in this exact spot with this lighting...etc
2005-12-07 [Skydancer]: I am sorry, but I beg to differ. I design all the sets, compositions, and shots. The assistants are there to do what I tell them to do and to learn from me. They are not in anyway involved in any decisions at all. They are simply extensions of my own mind, like any other tool. You are making invalid assumptions that are not necessarily true.
2005-12-07 [Skydancer]: To make matters very clear however, the shot I submitted was taken, created and modeled totally by myself, with no other human assistance. Programmable cameras do have their uses. :)
2005-12-07 [Skydancer]: With lots of practice, you can do a lot in the ten seconds the self timer gives you. And with the addition of a remote trigger, you have even more leeway, though it does take a lot of planning and composition.
2005-12-07 [Yuriona]: I personally have no problem with either photo. I happen to be well acquainted with your work Skydancer so I know that the photo submitted is yours both creatively and legally. I also have no problem with images submitted by ETers who are in the photo provided that they have permission to use the photo. For instance, if a photo of a member posing with Santa Claus is entered, I would still consider it their photo since they would have to pay for that image. If [DarkJenni] had a friend take that photo then the friend gave her the photo, I consider it her photo.provided that the friend had no problem with her posting it. Since she is the one posing, I doubt the taker would object.
2005-12-07 [Yuriona]: However [Leara], if you feel that strongly in this matter, you as a guard have the right to question [DarkJenni] on the subject, especially if you feel the photo is stolen. If other entrants of this contest have an issue with that entry, I will certainly look into the matter. In the spirit of this festive season though, I am willing to be a little more lenient as long as there is no outright theft. I appreciate your concern but please in the future, consult me on the matter first before questioning the validity of entries in a contest where you have no jurisdiction.
2005-12-07 [Leara]: I only stated my opinion since the matter was already being discussed, since the title of the contest is photography and not photo. There is artistically a difference. But it is your contest, so what you say goes.
2005-12-07 [Kelaria]: I dont mean to be a pest, but you did take off a photo from the last competition that someone's dad gave them permission to use. I do understand Skydancer's points, but even if someone's friend took the picture it wouldnt be fair to give them the prize for the artistic photography of their friend... I just feel like you should be more consistant with this.
2005-12-07 [Kelaria]: And [Leara] is right. it is a photography competition. Not a competition to see who can post the best photo they happen to have lying around, no matter who took it. That doesnt seem fair to me.
2005-12-07 [Leara]: BTW, I wasn't against Skydancer's image, it may have sounded that way since he was in on the discussion. My concern was only towards Morbid's.
2005-12-07 [Kelaria]: Same here.
2005-12-07 [Yuriona]: Did either of you read my comment about being more lenient this time in the spirit of the season? If you have a problem with the way I am running this contest then by all means, take it for yourselves. I do not appreciate those who have neither contributed nor offered to assist in this version of the contest to come in and question my authority on the matter. Your opinions are noted, you needn't worry about that. I will remember well how both of you behaved here.
2005-12-07 [Kelaria]: I just still think it's not very fair..... but okay... and I am currently working on my entry. I know you want to be lenient, but I just want things to be truly fair for everyone.
2005-12-07 [Kelaria]: I am not questioning your authority.
2005-12-07 [Kelaria]: Wasnt I the one who said "It's really up to [Yuriona] as the organizer of this contest." ?
2005-12-07 [Leara]: "I will remember well how both of you behaved here. " - As I have said, it was my OPINION, and I also said what you say goes...I wasn't arguing with you. Excuse me for freedom of speech to express an opinion, only because it was already being discussed. I'm sorry to say, but you are over reacting and taking the situation out of proportion.
2005-12-07 [Yuriona]: Yes, I am quite familiar with your opinion Leara. Thank you for offering it. And yes Kelaria, I know what you said just as I know what was said after that point. I was merely replying to the continued comments. And don't worry, such things are taken into account when the entries are voted on. Trust me, it isn't that hard to decide between a 'just because' entry and one where the participant took the time and effort to plan out their entry. I already see at least three entries that fall into that category, including the one in question. ;)
2005-12-07 [Yuriona]: The 'half-assed' category that is. ;) You may be sorry Leara but I'm not. :P
2005-12-07 [Iseld]: hmm...this is way too much drama for a fun little competition on elftown, i'm sorry, maybe i missed the part in the rules where there was a huge prize and artistic recognition for any who win! :P
2005-12-07 [Iseld]: (in other words, lighten up guys...tis the season right?)
2005-12-07 [Skydancer]: {starts gathering candies for a holiday chocolate snowball food fight.} :)
2005-12-07 [Kelaria]: *makes holiday cookies (just about the only cooking I am capable of XD lol)*
2005-12-07 [Skydancer]: {Is slated to make Darth Molten Chocolate cakes, peanut fudge brownies, rolled oat chocolate chip cookies, Chai Banana Cake, Chocolate swirled peanut butter fudge cheesecake brownies, a very large slow roasted pulled pork shoulder, and a couple of veggie casseroles.} sigh...
2005-12-07 [Kelaria]: I love good food :D and yummy treats!
2005-12-07 [Iseld]: hey yuriona! want some chai banana cake? or some peanut fudge brownies? skydancer seems to be quite the baker... :D
2005-12-07 [Yuriona]: No thank you. I'm quite hooked on the Darth Molten Cake. ;) And yes, there was far too much drama in here for my tastes too. Then again, drama seems to follow a certain ET member around I've noticed. *shakes head*
2005-12-07 [Jitter]: /me invites everyone to The old wiki Candy shop for candy
2005-12-07 [Kelaria]: I hope you're not talking about me Yuri... I do have feelings :( ... the reason I ask is because someone who used to pick on me a lot said the same thing about me in order to hurt my feelings (it worked, big time)... so I just want to be clear... is it me you're talking about?
2005-12-07 [Yuriona]: No, not you. :P I think I would have said something about that long before now if it was you. *does neener neener dance*
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